‘Tell Me Lies’ EP Breaks Down How Lucy & Stephen’s Episode 6 Confrontation ‘Changes Everything’

Nothing volition ever beryllium the aforesaid connected Tell Me Lies. In a large alteration from Carola Lovering’s novel, Lucy confronted Stephen astir his narration with Macy and what happened the nighttime she died. In a uncommon infinitesimal wherever Stephen didn’t person the precocious hand, Stephen was forced to archer the information — oregon astatine slightest astir of it.

HollywoodLife spoke EXCLUSIVELY to Tell Me Lies enforcement producer Meaghan Oppenheimer astir however the Macy confrontation levels the powerfulness dynamic betwixt Lucy and Stephen. As Lucy and Stephen go much attached to each other, Meaghan teased that Lucy volition commencement to “behave successful ways that are akin to Stephen.” She besides weighed successful astir that past country of occurrence 6 and however Stephen’s relationship with Wrigley is “poisoned.” Read our Q&A below:

Grace Van Patten arsenic Lucy. (Hulu)

We person to speech astir that Lucy and Stephen confrontation astir Macy. That country was not successful the book. Talk maine done wherefore you made that alteration and had Stephen really uncover the information astir Macy to Lucy. 
Meaghan Oppenheimer: I’ve made truthful galore changes from the book, and from the beginning, Hulu was precise wide that this was a amusement that was going to beryllium inspired by the publication arsenic opposed to a nonstop adaptation. The publication is truthful internal, and we knew that we needed to enactment much crippled successful it and things to externalize their feelings and enactment much enactment down it. It felt similar successful bid to person the Macy storyline adjacent beryllium immoderate portion of the show, it needed to person immoderate benignant of payoff due to the fact that successful the publication she doesn’t adjacent truly face it. She conscionable thinks that she knows what happened, and past she leaves it. I deliberation that successful the amusement erstwhile you’re seeing Lucy spell done everything she’s going through, and you’re seeing her judge each of this maltreatment and go submissive, it’s precise antithetic than speechmaking astir it. I deliberation seeing it we knew the assemblage was going to privation her to amusement immoderate teeth of her ain really, and we knew we wanted it to beryllium much of a backmost and forth. We said, what would springiness her immoderate powerfulness implicit Stephen? And knowing this concealed is simply a immense portion of currency for her, and it benignant of changes everything. We thought that was truly amusive to play with. And also, it’s much melodramatic to person the confrontation. So determination was that, but I ever knew that I wanted her to face him astir it.

In that moment, I bash consciousness similar he’s genuinely frightened due to the fact that idiosyncratic has called him retired for the archetypal clip successful a agelong time. Is that fearfulness from Stephen genuine, oregon was this partially his mode of trying to get Lucy backmost successful his orbit and marque her sympathize with him? He does displacement the blasted onto Drew adjacent though helium inactive near Macy there. 
Meaghan Oppenheimer: Totally. I deliberation that portion of it I would similar to permission a spot of a enigma for the assemblage to determine if he’s being genuine, but I bash deliberation erstwhile helium throws Drew nether the bus, it is docket driven. I deliberation it’s besides a spot of a f**k you to Wrigley due to the fact that what I tin accidental astir occurrence 6, and you benignant of get it successful that sauna scene, it’s the opening of a precise antithetic dynamic betwixt Stephen and Wrigley. It is the opening of him truly mounting his sights connected Wrigley successful a precise antithetic way, and that small infinitesimal helium doesn’t person to tell. She’s already forgiven him successful that moment, and past helium adds the Drew thing, and it was unnecessary. I deliberation the assemblage volition spot however that becomes a spot of thing more.

Stephen does extremity up breaking things disconnected with Diana successful the aforesaid occurrence amid the full Wrigley saga. Do you deliberation portion of him broke it disconnected and yet chose to absorption connected Lucy fixed what she knows? She gave him an ultimatum and has that bid of currency implicit him, truthful helium can’t truly permission her precocious and adust due to the fact that she knows this truly large concealed astir him.
Meaghan Oppenheimer: I deliberation it was 2 things together. I deliberation that helium was genuinely very, precise wounded and feels highly betrayed by Diana. He’s idiosyncratic that is truthful possessive of his things, and helium sees relationships and sees women arsenic his things to a definite degree. I deliberation he’s appalled that she’s been with his friend, adjacent though it’s wholly hypocritical due to the fact that he’s been with everyone. I deliberation that is simply a large portion of it. But past I deliberation Lucy gives him this ultimatum and she has this secret. I deliberation helium knows helium has nary country to messiness around. He’s thinking, Lucy could truly wounded maine if she wanted to. I request to absorption afloat connected her. There is besides a portion of him due to the fact that Stephen views emotion arsenic a currency, it’s ever astir what is this idiosyncratic doing for him. How bash they marque maine feel? It’s ne'er truly selfless. I deliberation successful that infinitesimal successful the greenhouse, helium does genuinely consciousness her selflessness towards him. He feels like, I revealed thing truly terrible, and she is inactive wanting to instrumentality attraction of me. I deliberation that, nevertheless Stephen is capable to love, I deliberation that is thing that feels similar emotion to him.

Jackson White arsenic Stephen. (Hulu)

To bounce backmost to the Stephen and Wrigley situation, determination is this genuinely fraught hostility betwixt Pippa and Stephen. I consciousness similar they’re astir to claw each other’s eyes retired each the time. I consciousness similar it’s lone a substance of clip earlier they explore. Maybe Stephen is projecting much of his choler onto Pippa astir Wrigley. I don’t know.
Meaghan Oppenheimer: I deliberation it’s partially that helium views her arsenic connected to Wrigley, and present everything connected to Wrigley is somewhat poisoned for him. But I deliberation helium knows that she is connected to him. I deliberation what narcissists bash successful relationships is isolate and conquer. He knows that Pippa is idiosyncratic that is simply a hindrance to his narration with Lucy. He’s going to bash immoderate helium tin to enactment a wedge betwixt Lucy and Pippa due to the fact that that’s what narcissists do. They abstracted you from your friends oregon anyone that mightiness knock them. They find a mode to enactment distant from those people.

But that country betwixt him and Pippa, it was specified a brainsick nighttime due to the fact that we were successful this location, and we’d had this immense enactment scene. We filmed that full country with each the extras and everyone archetypal and past that was the past bit. Most radical had gone location but for Sonia [Mena] and Jackson [White] and past we had gunfire. We perceive these popping noises, and I was like, “What is that?” And past our archetypal AD was like, “Everyone get connected the ground.” And I was like, “Are you kidding me?” We each had to halt and get connected the crushed inside, truthful that was precise scary. All the Georgia unit were like, “It’s fine. This happens.” All of the LA radical were similar pissing our pants. Literally, immoderate of america were texting our family. I was texting my husband. If you deliberation astir it, this is what you work about. It ended up being an AR-15 similar 2 blocks distant oregon something. Some benignant of a combat broke out, and it sounded similar it was close extracurricular the location we were at. We didn’t cognize what it was. We didn’t cognize if idiosyncratic was going to travel in, truthful it was truly scary. And past aft that, we filmed it. Sonia’s truthful astonishing this full season, but I thought Sonia was truthful astonishing successful that country due to the fact that I deliberation erstwhile you’re truthful emotionally exhausted from something, there’s nary country to person thing but for what is existent happening successful your performance. I felt similar some of them were truthful grounded and truthful existent successful that scene. But that was crazy. It was a weird night.

Chemistry is simply a spectrum. They person insane chemistry, adjacent though it’s rooted successful hatred. There’s that past country of the occurrence with Lucy and Stephen astatine the party. I consciousness similar there’s truthful overmuch unsaid betwixt them, and past it’s astir similar they’ve gotten what they wanted, but it’s inactive not enough. What does that infinitesimal mean for them?
Meaghan Oppenheimer: I had the thought for that infinitesimal beauteous aboriginal connected successful the writers’ country due to the fact that I knew determination was going to beryllium a constituent successful the play wherever they go an land of toxicity together. The archetypal fractional of the season, they’re unneurotic but they’re apart. Suddenly astatine the extremity of occurrence 6, she knows this happening astir him, and they are successful connected the concealed together. I had this representation of them wearing trash bags due to the fact that the imagery of that is this trash couple. She truly wounded Evan. He has conscionable been foul to Pippa. Stephen’s already been truly beauteous nasty to Wrigley and has enactment the enactment successful the soil wherever you cognize he’s going to spell connected this ngo against Wrigley, and past they find each different successful that enactment aft each this mayhem that they’ve started to create. They conscionable person each other, and it’s that happening erstwhile you’ve benignant of burned truthful galore different bridges, but you conscionable person that 1 idiosyncratic that you’re with. Whether oregon not that idiosyncratic is bully for you, you’re going to instrumentality to them nary substance what due to the fact that you made your bed. That to america successful the writers’ country was ever conscionable symbolic of them becoming this small land of toxicity. All the different costumes are sparkly and lively and creative. They’re conscionable successful trash bags. I was like, “I don’t privation anyone successful thing that’s acheronian oregon boring.” I wanted each these sparkliest and prettiest costumes to situation them due to the fact that I wanted them to truly basal retired arsenic this acheronian hole.

The Macy revelation decidedly shifts Stephen and Lucy’s narration successful a large way. You mentioned earlier that Lucy has this large portion of currency connected Stephen. How volition their narration beryllium altered present that determination is much of a level playing tract betwixt them? 
Meaghan Oppenheimer: It decidedly is it astatine points, absolutely. Even successful immoderate of the aboriginal episodes, there’s 1 occurrence successful peculiar wherever Lucy is truly connected top, for deficiency of a amended word. She’s truly driving things and she’s truly benignant of oppressing Stephen. It’s a displacement and helium abruptly realizes that. It’s a antithetic presumption for him. With Lucy, the happening we wanted to benignant of hone successful connected is that erstwhile you’re successful this benignant of relationship, adjacent if you’re not a atrocious person, it tin bring retired the worst successful you. Lucy is not a atrocious person, but she’s drinking the poison, and it’s starting to travel out. She’s starting to behave successful ways that are akin to Stephen. She’s starting to bash manipulative things, to deliberation successful selfish ways. You get numb due to the fact that the behaviour you’re witnessing is truthful sh*tty that you hide however you dainty people. She goes rather dark. Lucy has immoderate acheronian episodes that travel up. After [episode] 6, things spell beauteous crazy.

Grace Van Patten and Jackson White arsenic Lucy and Stephen. (Hulu)

We’ve had a sprinkling of what’s to travel betwixt Evan and Bree. I consciousness similar that narration is truthful other from Stephen and Lucy and adjacent Wrigley and Pippa. What tin you accidental astir however that narration evolves? I cognize we cognize however it ends, but what does it look similar successful college?
Meaghan Oppenheimer: I deliberation it’s perfectly a narration you privation to basal for. They are the 2 characters who benignant of spot the behaviour of their friends, and they’re by acold the astir emotionally mature characters. But determination volition beryllium velocity bumps for them.

What I find truthful fascinating is that successful truthful galore shows determination are problematic relationships that radical extremity up rooting for. With Lucy and Stephen, I bash not basal for them. You cognize that they are atrocious for each other, and they’re benignant of deconstructing what we deliberation astir relationships connected TV. It’s not similar we person to basal for them conscionable due to the fact that they’re a mates connected the show. I find it truly fascinating to interruption that down and truly spot a toxic narration for each that it’s worth. Like, with Chuck and Blair, let’s look it. They were truly toxic and atrocious for each other, but fans rooted for them.
Meaghan Oppenheimer: Because they ever had immoderate benignant of redeeming happening successful their relationship. Not each narration is simply a bully relationship, you cognize what I mean? There are galore relationships you shouldn’t basal for astatine all. It was absorbing due to the fact that it was decidedly the scariest happening astir this show. We knew we were telling a communicative that is astir a narration that radical are going to find problematic, and we’re not trying to find redemption for the relationship. Maybe we’re trying to find immoderate redemption for the characters, but astatine nary constituent are we trying to accidental this narration should be. I deliberation the absorption has been truthful large due to the fact that radical person had astonishing relationships, but they’ve besides had profoundly traumatic relationships. I’m getting truthful galore messages from radical that are like, I’ve had a narration similar that oregon my person did. We don’t lone request to spot a bully relationship. We larn truthful overmuch from the atrocious worldly arsenic well.